Start logging of "The Dojo" at 07/28/02 14:09:02 14:09: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK! Let's begin the assembly now, as always, with a /pray! 14:10: [The Dojo] Maestergo: pray 14:10: [The Dojo] Chronita: Now for the mandatory “Rules of the Assembly” speech. . . ;) 14:10: [The Dojo] Chronita: I will be moderating this Assembly. This is not to prevent you from expressing yourself, on the contrary, but rather to try to keep it organized. Until I open a topic for discussion, comments in the org channel should be kept at a minimal. 14:10: [The Dojo] Chronita: If I open a discussion, you may freely contribute to the discussion (without standing up), until the discussion is closed. If I ask for any new topics and you have one you would like to raise, please stand and I will recognize you so you can state your topic, then we will have a discussion. 14:11: [The Dojo] Chronita: When discussing, pls respect the others, and stick to the topic currently being discussed. Applicants are requested to limit their posts, and cannot take part in votes. 14:11: [The Dojo] Chronita: End of Speech :) 14:11: [The Dojo] Ojsan: kewl 14:11: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok, i have 3 announcements today, and 1 topic 14:12: [The Dojo] Chronita: afterwards we can have open topics of your choosing until the top of the hour ;) 14:12: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK, first order of business is to remind everyone that we will hold Council elections during the next assembly. The mandates of Ojsan, Striken7, Punkmuffin, and Neurobatica will expire at that time. Anyone with “unit member” status or better may run for a council seat, and the Council members whose terms are expiring may choose to run for re-election as well. 14:13: [The Dojo] Chronita: If you would like to run, pls feel free to begin your election campaigns in the forums this coming week. I myself would love to see more participation in these elections, instead of just having everyone show up and decide on the spot. :) 14:13: [The Dojo] Ataviel: So there are four seats? The rank is General? 14:14: [The Dojo] Chronita: yes and yes 14:14: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK, second announcement 14:14: [The Dojo] Chronita: We WILL have the Foreman's (Longest Road) Raid/Tour today after the assembly! :) 14:14: [The Dojo] Ataviel: How does one become a rank below general, but above unit member? 14:15: [The Dojo] Chronita: We will be joined by members of MI-R2 as well, and will assemble at the grid here in Rome 14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: 3'rd announcement - Member Picture Forum! 14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: The forum is up and running, and has several posts already :) 14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: If you would like to add yours, remember to send it in jpg form to me using the link on the webpage 14:17: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok, onto our topic for the day. . . 14:17: [The Dojo] Chronita: The Dojo as it relates to Omni-Tek 14:18: [The Dojo] Chronita: We discussed this a bit last week and have continued since then on the Forums 14:18: [The Dojo] Chronita: Basically I have 3 parts i'd like to discuss today 14:19: [The Dojo] Chronita: The first is a rule I shall add shortly to the Dojo code due to the responces I have recieved from FC itself 14:19: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: tell sannoz how do u type in pink? 14:19: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: grr 14:19: [The Dojo] Chronita: It involves "griefing" of other players basically 14:20: [The Dojo] Chronita: griefing is any action done expressly to ruin anothers gaming experience 14:20: [The Dojo] Chronita: however with the OT vs. clan setup of AO, it can be a little fuzzy at times 14:21: [The Dojo] Chronita: so here is the first rule we shall add to our griefing policy, and many others or revisions may come in the future 14:21: [The Dojo] Chronita: Basically anything goes in PvP areas, that was the intent of FC 14:22: [The Dojo] Maestergo: sorry went ld 14:22: [The Dojo] Chronita: however in non-PvP areas, FC stances change a bit in regard to omni vs clan actions 14:22: [The Dojo] Chronita: so the first rule added via expericene and feedback will follow FCs policy: 14:23: [The Dojo] Chronita: pulling mobs/guards onto camps or individuals (even of the other side) is griefing and should not be done 14:24: [The Dojo] Chronita: again, yhis is for non-PvP areas only 14:24: [The Dojo] Chronita: i have check with FC sources and this can be punishable by them 14:24: [The Dojo] Sannoz: one thing 14:24: [The Dojo] Chronita: this is basically why we choose to follow the policy 14:24: [The Dojo] Sannoz: if they cant handle a mob on a areea they shouldnt be there at the first place 14:25: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, good point San 14:25: [The Dojo] Ataviel: Well, if you drag a mob from somewhere else, then it's not really where they are hunting anyway 14:25: [The Dojo] Chronita: however, some zones have a wide range of mob difficulties 14:25: [The Dojo] Sannoz: map=area 14:25: [The Dojo] Chronita: and large maps yes 14:25: [The Dojo] Sannoz: well its not thinkible to drag a mob that fare 14:26: [The Dojo] Chronita: so even the cautious, well prepared gamer can still be griefed in this way 14:26: [The Dojo] Thelynx: How about pulling guards to those attacking guards in Omni cities? 14:26: [The Dojo] Ataviel: That sounds acceptable 14:27: [The Dojo] Chronita: yes that sounds like a good add-on to the rule 14:27: [The Dojo] Freakee: Id like to know how to do that then 14:27: [The Dojo] Chronita: like i said, none of these are in stone, they are always open for revision 14:27: [The Dojo] Munkeezon: If you are running from a mob, especially a wandering one, you can get blamed by other players for griefing. Just calmly explain what happened and that you didn't have that intention. 14:27: [The Dojo] Freakee: I get very tired of seeing clanners attacking guards in my home 14:28: [The Dojo] Chronita: but for now, this is what we will add to the rule section of our org details 14:28: [The Dojo] Thelynx: As do we all 14:29: [The Dojo] Chronita: any futher suggestions for changes/add-on are certainly welcome in the forums, etc 14:29: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, second part of this subject now: 14:30: [The Dojo] Chronita: The overall stance that The Dojo are thought of as protectors of Omni Trade, since that is where our HQ is currently 14:30: [The Dojo] Chronita: I felt we could add this to our "contract" so to say with OT 14:30: [The Dojo] Sannoz: but you cant protect it so its silly to say that 14:31: [The Dojo] Ojsan: welcome 14:31: [The Dojo] Flupper: welcome Fenedar 14:31: [The Dojo] Sannoz: welcome Fenedar 14:31: [The Dojo] Vonture: welcome 14:31: [The Dojo] Traineeer: Welcome Fenedar 14:31: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: welcom Fenedar 14:31: [The Dojo] Pyknic: welcome 14:31: [The Dojo] Maestergo: welcome 14:31: [The Dojo] Freakette: welcome Fenedar 14:31: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: hello fen 14:31: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: welcome .) 14:31: [The Dojo] Fenedar: Hello all :D 14:31: [The Dojo] Samuraiboy: welcome 14:31: [The Dojo] Limten: welcome 14:31: [The Dojo] Xbrandonleex: welcome 14:31: [The Dojo] Tabataia: Hi 14:31: [The Dojo] Freakee: Welcome 14:31: [The Dojo] Zyphrix: tnx pumk 14:31: [The Dojo] Zyphrix: n 14:32: [The Dojo] Chronita: Basically this will be for any future event however, as in one that FC lowers the gas in trade so that PvP is possible 14:33: [The Dojo] Chronita: This is nothing huge, just something we can officially state showing our loyalty to our fellow citizens and to OT 14:33: [The Dojo] Sannoz: as soon a clan attacks a guard he should get lowered gas right away and open for attack 14:34: [The Dojo] Chronita: and also we can alwys pledge more, so at this time I thought we could discuss what all we feel the org should stand for/contribute to the community 14:34: [The Dojo] Sannoz: same when we do in clan area 14:34: [The Dojo] Timia: Or at least let us assist the guard, if only with heals. 14:34: [The Dojo] Ataviel: It isn't possible to heal guards, is it? 14:34: [The Dojo] Flupper: yeah, agree on that sannoz 14:34: [The Dojo] Zyphrix: whan is the gas changing? 14:34: [The Dojo] Chronita: *Open discussion now, feel free to present your views* :) 14:35: [The Dojo] Zyphrix: when even 14:35: [The Dojo] Flupper: i hate seeing some clanner punk standing in trade showing off :) 14:35: [The Dojo] Chronita: gas would only change during an event or if FC decides to do it permenantly for some reason :/ 14:35: [The Dojo] Ataviel: 'tis a shame, that 14:35: [The Dojo] Zyphrix: ok tnx 14:35: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: well i agree with the griefing policy.. just because a mob is in a zone doesnt mean you can handle him.. just look at trade for example.. those guards could mop up half the people in there 14:36: [The Dojo] Sannoz: so why not take off the guards attacking the clannies just annoying with all those shoots doing no damage toa 200 enf clannie 14:36: [The Dojo] Pyknic: would it be fair to say the dojo could also protect the trade entrance from Omni-HQ? 14:36: [The Dojo] Ojsan: tell the clanners "Dont underestemate the power of the Dojo" 14:36: [The Dojo] Ojsan: :) 14:36: [The Dojo] Timia: I think that healing a guard of same faction would help a lot. Lowering gas when someone attacks a guard would backfire on all clanners/neutrals in the area. 14:36: [The Dojo] Chronita: yes we can certainly choose to protect Omni-HQ as well 14:37: [The Dojo] Pyknic: giving us a wider range that's in a PVP zone 14:37: [The Dojo] Timia: Which isn't that good. Allowing us to assist however would be. 14:37: [The Dojo] Sannoz: timia i meant lower gas for a single person that do the attack 14:37: [The Dojo] Timia: Right, okay.. Agree. But how about OT personell attack those guards? 14:37: [The Dojo] Flupper: yeah, if the zone got lowered we would see alot of ganking there 14:37: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: well they would also have the 15 second pvp delay.. that may enable them to finish the fight 14:37: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: hello all 14:37: [The Dojo] Sannoz: hi dumb 14:38: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: hi :) 14:38: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: just back from churce 14:38: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: church 14:38: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: Am I late for assembly? 14:38: [The Dojo] Ataviel: Yes 14:38: [The Dojo] Sannoz: still going 14:38: [The Dojo] Flupper: come to rome 14:38: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: u getting married? 14:38: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: atrox doesn't marry right? 14:38: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: omw 14:39: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: oh ;) 14:39: [The Dojo] Maleene: hiya all 14:39: [The Dojo] Zyphrix: yes atrox to 14:39: [The Dojo] Chronita: so what do we think about Omni-HQ? does that sound like a good spot to defend whenever there is caln activity? 14:39: [The Dojo] Pyknic: atrox are allowed to marry.. but only in Newland 14:39: [The Dojo] Sannoz: ?? they never enter there 14:39: [The Dojo] Ataviel: I think it sounds reasonable 14:39: [The Dojo] Ataviel: But I agree with Sannoz 14:39: [The Dojo] Flupper: back on topic :) 14:39: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: dont even know where omni hq is 14:39: [The Dojo] Brucilee: hello all 14:40: [The Dojo] Tabataia: depends if clans try to enter trade via HQ i would say yes 14:40: [The Dojo] Chronita: well they were there last sunday, if only for a short while ;) 14:40: [The Dojo] Timia: Omni HQ is pvp zone, so we got no problem there. All OT will rush it if its attacked anyway.. =) 14:40: [The Dojo] Sannoz: no they wasnt 14:40: [The Dojo] Pyknic: we would be more apt to be able to fight clan in HQ than to assume we'll ever be able to fight them in trade at all 14:40: [The Dojo] Sannoz: they wher ein ent 14:40: [The Dojo] Tabataia: if not it wouldnt do any good 14:41: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: what about us staging raids into clan held territories? do we do that ever? 14:41: [The Dojo] Pyknic: has FC ever lowered gas amounts before? 14:41: [The Dojo] Flupper: think HQ was used for the trials on RK1. Would be good if ppl could arange some stuff there once. Then we would get to defend 14:41: [The Dojo] Flupper: newland we changed once i think 14:42: [The Dojo] Chronita: so the gate from Trade to Omni-HQ sounds like a good default defensive position. . . 14:42: [The Dojo] Chronita: we are not limited to this by any means, default is the operative word here 14:42: [The Dojo] Pyknic: not that we're restricted to only defending that post 14:42: [The Dojo] Pyknic: you think faster than i type 14:43: [The Dojo] Tabataia: sounds good :) 14:43: [The Dojo] Flupper: HQ is PvP area 14:43: [The Dojo] Sannoz: they want go to HQ if we are there 14:44: [The Dojo] Ataviel: They virtually never do anyway 14:44: [The Dojo] Timia: HQ is pretty well protected by guards and such. 14:44: [The Dojo] Flupper: events might make it so they do Sannoz. Like when deng and athx made the event in 2h0 14:44: [The Dojo] Tabataia: Chronita what is the position of the dojo on clan attacks ? 14:44: [The Dojo] Chronita: umm 14:44: [The Dojo] Tabataia: i mean if we would attack or not ? 14:44: [The Dojo] Sannoz: well event is event :/ 14:44: [The Dojo] Chronita: this is what we are trying to decide 14:45: [The Dojo] Tabataia: how about a vote o this ? 14:45: [The Dojo] Sannoz: i mean when athx gets to trade and spanks guards i want to help the guard 14:45: [The Dojo] Chronita: if we dont like an idea, then suggest a new one? else we can just stay with no official position i suppose :/ 14:45: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: <--- Have no clue what are u discussing 14:45: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: a few Dimachs from dojo would make athx think twice about killing our guards 14:45: [The Dojo] Samuraiboy: perhaps a counterattack against a clan city asap 14:45: [The Dojo] Timia: But for that, Sannoz, FC has to change a few things.. 14:46: [The Dojo] Thelynx: How many other guilds have the Mission to guard Trade already? 14:46: [The Dojo] Pyknic: wherever there is action.. we weill be there to support omni regardless.. but for public relations.. our main defensive standpoint is Omni Trade and the gate in from Omni-HQ 14:46: [The Dojo] Sannoz: but thats the point we arent protecting 14:46: [The Dojo] Sannoz: we cant 14:46: [The Dojo] Sannoz: not practical 14:46: [The Dojo] Sannoz: only words 14:46: [The Dojo] Tabataia: but we hope we can sometime :) 14:46: [The Dojo] Timia: Until FC fixes things. So we should make a petition to get FC to change things so we can. 14:47: [The Dojo] Flupper: yeah, it is a little strange. We can protect the gate in HQ, but we wont see much action then :) 14:47: [The Dojo] Pyknic: that being the closest pvp zone to our HQ 14:47: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: <--at rome grid 14:47: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: where should I go now? 14:48: [The Dojo] Sannoz: and i think FC should change the guards in trade to stronger guards like in TIR 14:48: [The Dojo] Tabataia: south to the statue 14:48: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, well i think we will just discuss a little more on the forums in the next few days and then i will start a /org vote and see how that goes 14:48: [The Dojo] Timia: And in case gas gets lowered in trade we protect trade.. 14:48: [The Dojo] Chronita: this will be a good test for the /org vote function as well, i can set it for a week or so so all can give their opinions 14:49: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: where should I go? 14:49: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: from rome grid? 14:49: [The Dojo] Timia: south, over bridge eastward 14:49: [The Dojo] Chronita: and we can also discuss Samurai's option of not defending and attacking a clan city in response as well 14:50: [The Dojo] Timia: And/or hit clan outposts in response.. 14:50: [The Dojo] Chronita: right 14:50: [The Dojo] Tabataia: where are you ? 14:50: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, well i think that is enough for that topic :/ 14:51: [The Dojo] Chronita: we have 10 mins until we begin assembling for the Foreman's raid now 14:51: [The Dojo] Chronita: so if anyone has a topic they would like to discuss, please stand and be recognized 14:51: [The Dojo] Chronita: pok Punk, go ahead 14:51: [The Dojo] Brucilee: i have one question 14:52: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: earlier this week i heard some chat on the channel that some players had been begging 14:52: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: I do not think it was with their dojo chars..but was with alts... 14:52: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: I think that we should frown upon Dojo members begging in public. 14:53: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: 14:53: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, thank you Punk 14:53: [The Dojo] Ataviel: Just in public? Not begging in general? 14:53: [The Dojo] Chronita: we have a pretty firm position on beggin in the org channel right now 14:53: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: well what do u consider begging? asking to buy a buff? 14:53: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: begging for money or items 14:53: [The Dojo] Chronita: as in, it is not allowed 14:54: [The Dojo] Freakette: is taba, got any ql 108 claws begging? 14:54: [The Dojo] Sannoz: well you have no reason to beg ...we have armour bank claw bank dont know how far imp bank has gone 14:54: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: in public means to any extrenal person..not just standing in the middle of trade and shouting 14:54: [The Dojo] Pyknic: i'd have to say that as a new member to the dojo.. i don't think i'd ever have a reason to beg.. 14:54: [The Dojo] Chronita: if you need help or are looking for a certain item you may ask certainly, but repeatedly is another manner 14:54: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: so if i /list for an agent and /tell him to ask to buy a feline grace, that is begging? 14:54: [The Dojo] Dumbaxx: I dun have suitable suit though 14:55: [The Dojo] Sannoz: and about yalms most people had to get to over 100lvl(me included) to get a yalm 14:55: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: no, that is not Sensei 14:55: [The Dojo] Timia: No Senseidamien. 14:55: [The Dojo] Freakee: oh and I have this for you Taba if you want 14:55: [The Dojo] Timia: Asking and begging are two different things in my opinion. Begging is when you ask repeatedly. =) 14:55: [The Dojo] Chronita: begging entails repeated asking, usually for something free IMO 14:55: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: oh ok 14:56: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: well i hate that too :D 14:56: [The Dojo] Chronita: and like i said its in the org rules, and in red too i believe ;) 14:56: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: i think begging is ok 14:56: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: i just tell em to goto backyards and kill leets :P 14:56: [The Dojo] Tabataia: dont think i have a ql 108 :) 14:56: [The Dojo] Sannoz: so timia if some ask me for 5mil for a yalm for example its not begging? 14:56: [The Dojo] Brucilee: rofl 14:56: [The Dojo] Flupper: askung in guild chat if anyone got a elite armor piece isnt begging. If you do it every 5 minutes and to all ppl and asking for money it is begging. 14:56: [The Dojo] Wingto: Asking on guild chat if anyone has any ql? armour/claw/ etc is not begging it is what we are here for :) 14:56: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: i got 2 mill from clans 2 days ago ;)¨ 14:57: [The Dojo] Ojsan: filthy money 14:57: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: lol no 14:57: [The Dojo] Sannoz: asking for armour isnt begging i am talking about money etc 14:57: [The Dojo] Senseidamien: did it have our fellow omni brothers' blood on it? 14:57: [The Dojo] Timia: Well.. Ummm.. Nope, thats asking. I think.. Repeating it, and whining about not getting is begging.. 14:57: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: But begging to others reflects badly on our org 14:57: [The Dojo] Timia: Just my opinion.. 14:57: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: no its not on this guy anyway ;) 14:57: [The Dojo] Sannoz: still we got the armour bank :p 14:57: [The Dojo] Rezwalker: how? 14:58: [The Dojo] Traineeer: agree with Timia, Asking over and over again is begging 14:58: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, any other quick topics? 14:58: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: because each member represents us...and doing something anoying like that looks bad on us 14:58: [The Dojo] Wingto: good luck later 14:59: [The Dojo] Zyphrix: how do i get to the raid 14:59: [The Dojo] Ataviel: Raid hasn't started 14:59: [The Dojo] Chronita: very well, we shall end the assembly here with a /pray 14:59: [The Dojo] Vonture: one more thing 14:59: [The Dojo] Vonture: =) 14:59: [The Dojo] Vonture: Good news everyone, Samuraiboy and I would like to announce our engagement! =) 14:59: [The Dojo] Chronita: thank you all for attending :)