Start logging of "The Dojo" at 06/02/02 14:06:09 14:06: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK then, let us begin today's assembly then, as always, with a /pray :) 14:06: [The Dojo] Chronita: Now for the mandatory “Rules of the Assembly” speech. . . ;) 14:06: [The Dojo] Chronita: I will be moderating this Assembly. This is not to prevent you from expressing yourself, on the contrary, but rather to try to keep it organized. Until I open a topic for discussion, comments in the org channel should be kept at a minimal. 14:07: [The Dojo] Chronita: If I open a discussion, you may freely contribute to the discussion (without standing up), until the discussion is closed. If I ask for any new topics and you have one you would like to raise, please stand and I will recognize you so you can state your topic, then we will have a discussion. 14:07: [The Dojo] Chronita: When discussing, pls respect the others, and stick to the topic currently being discussed. Applicants are requested to limit their posts, and cannot take part in votes. 14:07: [The Dojo] Chronita: End of Speech :) 14:08: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK, now for the first topic! Today we are to elect 4 new council members, as the mandates of Katjaka, Striken7, Sabbael, and Maraskye come to an end. Anyone who has full member standing (the Unit Member rank or higher) is able to run. Past council members are also allowed to re-run. 14:08: [The Dojo] Chronita: Pls remember that applicants are not able to vote yet, and that the ppl running may vote for themselves if they wish ;) 14:08: [The Dojo] Chronita: If I may now have the names of the ppl that want to run for Council, we will begin :) 14:09: [The Dojo] Ojsan: ./me :) 14:09: [The Dojo] Striken7: I will re-run 14:09: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: ./me 14:10: [The Dojo] Shinmei: I would like the responsibilities of the council-members clearified a little.. if that's ok 14:10: [The Dojo] Chronita: sure that's fine :) 14:10: [The Dojo] Chronita: council members are firstly responsible for helping formulate policies, etc. 14:11: [The Dojo] Chronita: we have council meetings occasionally about topic to be discussed in later assemblies, etc. 14:11: [The Dojo] Chronita: council members are also encouraged to take part in one or more functional houses 14:11: [The Dojo] Chronita: recruitment, policing, events, etc. 14:12: [The Dojo] Chronita: council members also serve as default contact for those who wish to join The Dojo 14:12: [The Dojo] Chronita: that's about it ;) 14:13: [The Dojo] Shinmei: ok. Thank you, Chronita. :) 14:13: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, with that said, anyone else nominating themselves? 14:13: [The Dojo] Chronita: we only have 3 names thusfar, makes for a dull and incomplete election ;) 14:14: [The Dojo] Neurobatica: I will run. 14:14: [The Dojo] Shinmei: It's quite amazing that an org this big has extremenly small assemblies.. ;) 14:14: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok great, anyone else? 14:14: [The Dojo] Shinmei: *extremely 14:15: [The Dojo] Vonture: srry for being late all, something came up just before the meeting started 14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, so i have Ojsan, Striken7, Punkmuffin, and Neurobatica thusfar 14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: any last minute additions? 14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, well then in that case. . . 14:17: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: sorry 14:17: [The Dojo] Chronita: Everyone we have our 4 new council members! Congrats to them all! ;) 14:17: [The Dojo] Vonture: w00t 14:17: [The Dojo] Lovegod: grats ppl 14:17: [The Dojo] Shunrah: grats :) 14:17: [The Dojo] Shinmei: Grats :) 14:17: [The Dojo] Kamius: hehe gratz ppl 14:17: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: Congrats 14:17: [The Dojo] Ojsan: yay :) 14:18: [The Dojo] Epzzii: gratz:-) 14:18: [The Dojo] Neurobatica: Congrats! 14:18: [The Dojo] Chronita: i'll need to see you shortly after the assembly :) 14:18: [The Dojo] Striken7: aight boss 14:18: [The Dojo] Ojsan: will do 14:19: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK, second topic – EZBoard subscription. Last time at assembly I asked if anyone would be willing to donate to our community chest and help pay for our “lease” with EZBoard, and our community responded fantastically! 14:19: [The Dojo] Chronita: We raised $98 dollars total in just a matter of days. Nikh told me he renewed the subscription for another 6 months himself, so we are set until December. The new 6-month lease cost only $33, so we still have $65 left in the chest for next time :) I turned the chest off for now seeing that we have more than enough money (the $65 will remain there until we need it). A big “thank you” to all who donated! We have certainly ensured a big part of our future through this outpouring of generosity! 14:20: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK, third topic – Patch 14.2. As some of you may already know, it will be released this coming Wednesday. This patch is huge, with new changes to equipping rules, loads of new weapons and armor, crit buffs becoming self-only, invisibility and sneaking improvements, and of course, the IP Reset options :) 14:20: [The Dojo] Chronita: I encourage everyone to read over the patch notes before/after the patch is released to familiarize themselves with all the changes. If there is enough of a call for it, we can hold a special meeting or perhaps extended discussion during regular assembly after this patch is released for those with questions. Also pls feel free to ask on the message boards. 14:21: [The Dojo] Neurobatica: So, the patch is really happening Wednesday? I've been hearing it is a week away since I started AO which is why I ask. 14:22: [The Dojo] Chronita: Still set for wednesday - heard it from my ark friend on test this morning :) 14:22: [The Dojo] Neurobatica: Neat! Thanks. 14:22: [The Dojo] Chronita: Last official topic – Smuggler’s Den Raid. This raid is going to be postponed until hopefully after next week’s assembly. Then maybe we can gather quite a powerful primary group and a couple mezzers so everyone with a yalm that wants to visit can have a fairly safe trip while inside :) 14:23: [The Dojo] Lovegod: great, when i finally got the time (no sopranos today)... 14:23: [The Dojo] Sannoz: yalm?? 14:23: [The Dojo] Sannoz: one word 14:24: [The Dojo] Sannoz: Backdoor 14:24: [The Dojo] Ojsan: will be fixed in 14.2 14:24: [The Dojo] Sannoz: oh :( 14:24: [The Dojo] Vonture: ahh! 14:24: [The Dojo] Chronita: yep 14:24: [The Dojo] Vonture: nooo! 14:24: [The Dojo] Shinmei: What is (was) the backdoor? 14:24: [The Dojo] Chronita: and it kind of is backwards as far as "experiencing" the den 14:25: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK, i'd just like to make a couple comments before we open the floor for topics today. . . 14:25: [The Dojo] Chronita: 1st is that Varkin, ex-Dojo member has sold his account to someone else. 14:26: [The Dojo] Vonture: when did he sell it? 14:26: [The Dojo] Chronita: Before he did he gave me some MA implant sets, and we thank him for that 14:26: [The Dojo] Chronita: this past week Vonture 14:26: [The Dojo] Chronita: But just a warning if you knew Varkin, he is not the same person any longer ;) 14:27: [The Dojo] Vonture: i played with him a day or 2 ago, wondering which varkin it was 14:27: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: is his character still in the Dojo? 14:27: [The Dojo] Vonture: he laft the dojo a while ago 14:27: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: no, he left a few months ago to start a new guild 14:28: [The Dojo] Chronita: Lastly, of a personally sad note for me, Nutbar also left the game this past week :( 14:28: [The Dojo] Lovegod: why? 14:28: [The Dojo] Sannoz: that explaines i was ignore with sannoz3 of him asking for a vs and when i loged main he was fast to ask to team 14:28: [The Dojo] Chronita: He recently got a new job requiring more time 14:28: [The Dojo] Sannoz: so i ignored back 14:29: [The Dojo] Chronita: and i think he was a little tired of AO to start with 14:29: [The Dojo] Lovegod: he left TPB as well? 14:29: [The Dojo] Chronita: Anyway, he left me several bags of interesting things, implants, weapons, etc. 14:30: [The Dojo] Chronita: And also gave me about 2.5 million credits, which are now in the org bank 14:30: [The Dojo] Chronita: He hasnt posted on TPB in a long time, so i think so Love 14:31: [The Dojo] Chronita: Anyway, a big thanks to Nutbar for this and all his help in the past, we certainly wish him well :) 14:31: [The Dojo] Lovegod: amen 14:31: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK, that's all from me today 14:31: [The Dojo] Ojsan: :) 14:32: [The Dojo] Chronita: After our non-election, we have quite a bit of time for open topics :) 14:32: [The Dojo] Chronita: Love, would you like to start? 14:32: [The Dojo] Sannoz: enchant 14:32: [The Dojo] Lovegod: tax thing will kick in in 14.2, right? 14:32: [The Dojo] Chronita: yes that is true 14:32: [The Dojo] Chronita: so we will keep tax off :) 14:32: [The Dojo] Lovegod: will it work from day 1 or is it disabled within the Dojo 14:33: [The Dojo] Chronita: org bank will still be by donation only 14:33: [The Dojo] Ojsan: 1mill tax :) 14:33: [The Dojo] Chronita: i think it is disabled, but i will double check after the assembly 14:33: [The Dojo] Chronita: thx for the reminder :) 14:33: [The Dojo] Sannoz: ca we talk about the enchant issue later 14:33: [The Dojo] Sannoz: *can 14:33: [The Dojo] Lovegod: I think Nikh turned it on, so u might want to double check that 14:34: [The Dojo] Shinmei: That was what I was going to ask about Sannoz. :) 14:34: [The Dojo] Sannoz: :)) 14:34: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, as Shin was next, ok then :) 14:34: [The Dojo] Shinmei: About the Enchant issue. 14:34: [The Dojo] Shinmei: What really happened, _if_ it really happened, and who was that girl who didn't put out any dots when she wrote? :) 14:35: [The Dojo] Lovegod: hehe 14:35: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok, i guess i'll explain as much as i gathered from it. . . 14:35: [The Dojo] Sannoz: did he leave or get kicked? 14:35: [The Dojo] Shinmei: She left I think. 14:35: [The Dojo] Chronita: yes she left on her own 14:35: [The Dojo] Sannoz: ask to leave or? 14:35: [The Dojo] Sannoz: *asked 14:35: [The Dojo] Chronita: i'll get to that. . . 14:36: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok, the person that made the complaint in the member forum was an ex-dojo member 14:36: [The Dojo] Chronita: she basically thought what enchant did was un-dojolike and tarnished the org 14:36: [The Dojo] Chronita: what enchant did is still a little fuzzy 14:36: [The Dojo] Sannoz: un-dojo like?? to kill clannies? 14:37: [The Dojo] Shinmei: Did she really do it? It sure didn't sound like the Enchant I had gotten to know here in the Dojo. 14:37: [The Dojo] Chronita: but it basically involved pulling red mobs into a camp that clanners were lvling off of to kill them 14:37: [The Dojo] Ojsan: haha 14:37: [The Dojo] Sannoz: well if i had figured it out and was in a area with clannies i would do same thing 14:37: [The Dojo] Shinmei: Well, it depends on how you kill them Sannoz. By exploiting high lvl npcs is not the way. 14:37: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: (Enchantical trained some mobs on some clanners....she was angry because other clanners had ganked her) 14:37: [The Dojo] Chronita: evidently tho they had harassed her some before this tho 14:38: [The Dojo] Chronita: i talked to enchant a little before she left 14:38: [The Dojo] Sannoz: i still see nothing wrong in it...its a war 14:38: [The Dojo] Ojsan: i dont think its nothing wrong with that... 14:38: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: then why was she asked to leave 14:38: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: she was not asked to leave 14:38: [The Dojo] Striken7: Ive seen clanners doing the same thing to omni's many times 14:38: [The Dojo] Chronita: i was basically trying to assertain what happened 14:38: [The Dojo] Chronita: as were timia and flupper before me i believe 14:39: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: I would do worse if it was me 14:39: [The Dojo] Shinmei: If they harrased her first, then it was basically just revenge, and I don't think she should've left the dojo.. 14:39: [The Dojo] Chronita: it seemed tho that Enchant had already made up her mind and decided to leave voluntarily 14:39: [The Dojo] Chronita: neither i nor any council member asked or demanded that she should leave 14:40: [The Dojo] Sannoz: did you try to make her stay? 14:40: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: if she wanted to leave, np 14:40: [The Dojo] Chronita: yes of course 14:40: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: if she left thinking about this or that, no good 14:40: [The Dojo] Chronita: i told her that this is not how we resolve stuff like this 14:41: [The Dojo] Chronita: and that her actions, even if true and unprovoked, do not merit an automatic kick from the org 14:41: [The Dojo] Chronita: everyone is given at least 1 warning in the Dojo if they do something disruptive or break the rules 14:41: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: maybe, let her calm down, and then talk to her 14:42: [The Dojo] Chronita: and i am the only person right now that can kick ppl 14:42: [The Dojo] Chronita: and i wont do it unless i really have to 14:42: [The Dojo] Chronita: anyway Enchant and i talked more after she left too 14:43: [The Dojo] Shinmei: Is it even possible for a person to leave an org by him/herself? 14:43: [The Dojo] Chronita: she understands our position, and has a standing invitation back if she wants it 14:43: [The Dojo] Vonture: yes 14:43: [The Dojo] Sannoz: still to the issue 14:43: [The Dojo] Chronita: but for right now, she still feels it best to stay out of the Dojo so as not to "tarnish" our org 14:43: [The Dojo] Sannoz: is it un-dojo like?? 14:44: [The Dojo] Sannoz: to get clannies killed in anyway? 14:44: [The Dojo] Shinmei: I hope she will take it. She was one of the few that was role-playing, if only a little, and made the org a brighter place overall.. :) 14:44: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: I just think, after she has time to calm down, just to talk to her 14:44: [The Dojo] Lovegod: clan contact is un-dojo like;) 14:44: [The Dojo] Chronita: well we can discuss that right now i suppose 14:44: [The Dojo] Emosion: not the woman and childrens.. 14:44: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: I nubt with caln, neutrals and onmi all day long in bS 14:45: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: *hunt 14:45: [The Dojo] Chronita: we dont have a standing policy for this of course, this is the first occasion it has come up 14:45: [The Dojo] Epzzii: i crashed:-( 14:45: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: we have had people PvP in PvP zones 14:45: [The Dojo] Epzzii: sorry for dissapering:-/ 14:46: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: I hope that this isn't a problem, as I have no intention of stopping 14:46: [The Dojo] Chronita: in my view, the line is a bit fuzzy between RP'ing and griefing 14:46: [The Dojo] Emosion: np Ep 14:46: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: griefing stinks, hate it, never will do it 14:46: [The Dojo] Striken7: I think the Dojo stance on RP is along the lines of respect for all 14:46: [The Dojo] Chronita: PvP action certainly is valid 14:46: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: this game promotes Griefing. I think that the dojo should stand against it. 14:46: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: yes 14:47: [The Dojo] Shinmei: Some clanners (and omni for that matter) doesn't feel that way Nubi. The group I was hunting with just before the meeting was being harassed by a clanner group stealing our kills all the time. 14:47: [The Dojo] Ewall: what is griefing? 14:47: [The Dojo] Chronita: that is my view as well Punk 14:47: [The Dojo] Chronita: griefing is basically any action that disturbs another's gameplay 14:47: [The Dojo] Ewall: ok thx 14:48: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: it is sad but true, there are many who play who love causing others nothing but grief 14:48: [The Dojo] Chronita: pulling mobs to disrupt clanners in a non-PvP area does stand as griefing for me 14:48: [The Dojo] Lovegod: Its a game design flaw to have zones woth clan and omnis in it without beibg able to PvP 14:49: [The Dojo] Shinmei: A point about the RP side of this. Some omnis and clanners are very ANTI-other side, while some, like Nubi here, groups with clanners and neutrals even if she's an omni. Even if you RP this is possible, since there are always those who thinks war is wrong and will try to make peace, so I see no issue with that.. 14:49: [The Dojo] Chronita: i guess the best way to look at it is the "put yourself in the other person's shoes" method 14:49: [The Dojo] Ojsan: are we gonna trade accounts? :) 14:50: [The Dojo] Chronita: hehe, i said shoes OJ :P 14:50: [The Dojo] Ojsan: :) 14:50: [The Dojo] Vonture: 14:50: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, so any other questions on this? 14:50: [The Dojo] Lovegod: Have any1 ever filed a petition in this matter? 14:50: [The Dojo] Shinmei: Griefing? 14:50: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: 14:50: [The Dojo] Lovegod: yes 14:51: [The Dojo] Aphenna: griefing is harrasment 14:51: [The Dojo] Chronita: i bet they have a bunch on rk1 love 14:51: [The Dojo] Shinmei: not me, although I was thinking about it today. 14:51: [The Dojo] Sannoz: "sigh" 14:51: [The Dojo] Neurobatica: I think rather than a flaw, it's a feature (nothing funny intended). Having non PvP zones lets you play with your friends of other factions. Having PvP zones lets you role play the faction conflict. 14:51: [The Dojo] Chronita: just look at the camelot dungeon timing thread on the official boards ;) 14:51: [The Dojo] Aphenna: dragging high level mobs to kill lowbies regardless of faction is griefing 14:52: [The Dojo] Chronita: i second that Aph 14:52: [The Dojo] Lovegod: Just would like to hear what the GM community thinks about this. Personally I have np with Enchants behaviour 14:52: [The Dojo] Striken7: perhaps we should formulate a Dojo stance on interaction with clanners 14:52: [The Dojo] Aphenna: the only reason they did it to clannies in this case was to claim they were pvp'ing when in fact it was griefing 14:53: [The Dojo] Neurobatica: *agrees* it's definitely along the lines of trying to make someone elses game less fun. 14:53: [The Dojo] Punkmuffin: Training mobs is against FC policy (I read that once) 14:53: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: if this shuld ever happen again, we should ask them to stop, and if they do drop it. If they continue, ask them to leave 14:53: [The Dojo] Chronita: yes that is the policy Nubi 14:53: [The Dojo] Shinmei: and if they continue? 14:53: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: God knows we all make mistakes, esp me, lol 14:53: [The Dojo] Chronita: in this case tho, Enchant had her mind made up tho 14:54: [The Dojo] Sannoz: punk before you say its against their policy show the place where they wrote it 14:54: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: they aer asked to leave 14:54: [The Dojo] Shinmei: by ARKs? 14:54: [The Dojo] Shinmei: unless it's by an ARK, noone can force them to leave., 14:54: [The Dojo] Siyamak: lol funny guy 14:54: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: from our guild? 14:54: [The Dojo] Siyamak: na 14:54: [The Dojo] Chronita: i can try and get an answer through my test connections Sannoz, would that be good? 14:55: [The Dojo] Shinmei: I thought you were talking about someone griefing one of us. If anyone in the org does it, of course we can always kick that person out. 14:55: [The Dojo] Chronita: we should of course follow any official FC policy first before expounding on our own 14:56: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: Sorry, me I huff and puff, and then move on, It is a bg world, many othet places to go and things to do 14:56: [The Dojo] Chronita: if you want, you can post more of your thoughts on the dojo boards 14:56: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: I want to enjoy playing, not dealing with them 14:56: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: sorry 14:56: [The Dojo] Chronita: we'll just get an official stance from FC for now and take up this topic after that 14:57: [The Dojo] Chronita: Any other quick topics? 14:57: [The Dojo] Chronita: Yes Shin? 14:57: [The Dojo] Shinmei: With the event for today being pstponed, is there anything else we can do today? 14:58: [The Dojo] Shinmei: *postponed 14:58: [The Dojo] Ewall: another disco party! :) 14:58: [The Dojo] Shinmei: hehe 14:58: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: really? 14:58: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: ye ha!!! 14:58: [The Dojo] Chronita: well that is up to you i guess, if you have another NPC you'd like to take out or. . .? 14:58: [The Dojo] Lovegod: we could always drag some mobs to clan hunting parties :) 14:58: [The Dojo] Siyamak: lol 14:58: [The Dojo] Shinmei: yeah, good idea lovegood.. ;) 14:59: [The Dojo] Emosion: :) 14:59: [The Dojo] Chronita: well for now let's just not do that Love ;) 14:59: [The Dojo] Shinmei: Well, I've never seen the "mistress" or the dragon or any other "big" NPC, so I'm in for everything 14:59: [The Dojo] Shinmei: even if I die. :) 14:59: [The Dojo] Nubijuan: I was wondering, do that list people in teams by number of tokens? 14:59: [The Dojo] Chronita: i just need to speak to council members afterward, then you are free to do anything :) 15:00: [The Dojo] Chronita: OK, let's just end assembly here for today then, as always, with a /pray :)