14:15: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok, let's go ahead and begin the assembly now, as always, with a /pray :)
14:15: [The Dojo] Chronita: Now for the mandatory “Rules of the Assembly” speech. . . ;)
14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: I will be moderating this Assembly. This is not to prevent you from expressing yourself, on the contrary, but rather to try to keep it organized. Until I open a topic for discussion, comments in the org channel should be kept at a minimal.
14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: If I open a discussion, you may freely contribute to the discussion (without standing up), until the discussion is closed. If I ask for any new topics and you have one you would like to raise, please stand and I will recognize you so you can state your topic, then we will have a discussion.
14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: When discussing, pls respect the others, and stick to the topic currently being discussed. Applicants are requested to limit their posts, and cannot take part in votes.
14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: If someone from outside the org disturbs our meeting here, the best policy is to just ignore him/her. A council member or myself can tell them the meeting is in progress and ask them to leave, otherwise we should limit our contact with them. In the past it has been proven time and time again that the “zen” approach is best :)
14:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: End of Speech :)
14:17: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok, I have a few important announcements to make today, then perhaps we will have some time for open topics.
14:18: [The Dojo] Chronita: First off I would like to address the coming month of December in regards to official org activity.
14:20: [The Dojo] Chronita: To begin, I must state that in the middle of the month I personally will be moving to a new location IRL, and in light of this plan and all the holiday plans later in the month, I forsee I large chunk of time where I may not even be able to be online, let alone plan/run org meetings and events. . .
14:21: [The Dojo] Chronita: At the same time last month our VP Neurobatica informed me beforehand that she too will be away for most of the month of December with various plans. . . 
14:22: [The Dojo] Chronita: Considering these both, I thought it best to go ahead and make the announcment that we will not hold any official assemblies or other events in the month of December.
14:23: [The Dojo] Chronita: Anything extra within the org can certainly be organized by members on the forums or such, but will more than likely not have support from Neuro or myself in the planning phases.
14:25: [The Dojo] Chronita: After the New Years holidays I at least should be able to be around more again, and at that time we can begin to make decisions and actions to determine the future of the org.
14:25: [The Dojo] Chronita: Until then however, for lack of a better term, the org will be "on hold" 
14:26: [The Dojo] Chronita: Before this "limbo" period, I will try and tie up a few loose ends (player item banks, etc.) so we can function as normally as possible.
14:27: [The Dojo] Chronita: Yes, December is usually a slow time anyway, so I would not exect too much difference.
14:28: [The Dojo] Chronita: But I just wanted to inform everyone beforehand so that there are no questions later ;)
14:30: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok, secondly today I would like to let everyone know that we did in fact meet our monetary goal for our forum service and it is good-to-go for another six months now :)
14:31: [The Dojo] Chronita: Thanks to those who contributed - let's try and give them a big thank you by putting the forums to good use the next 6 months ;)
14:31: [The Dojo] Alzisra: thanx :)
14:31: [The Dojo] Saathi: Muchas gracias :)
14:32: [The Dojo] Spipac2: thank you !
14:32: [The Dojo] Thaylia: Thank you :)
14:32: [The Dojo] Namidae: thank you :)
14:32: [The Dojo] Keraji: thanks
14:33: [The Dojo] Kayti1: Thank You =)
14:34: [The Dojo] Chronita: Lastly I would like to announce that our new Helper house formation will be placed on hold until next month, and that anyone interested in holding a player-run bank or anyone that has one currenty and is unsure of his/her ability to continue it, please post so on a thread I will create later today in the general forum. I will try in the next few days to update the banks and have them ready-for-use to the public.
14:36: [The Dojo] Chronita: With that I think my topics for today are completed. Time for Open Topics! If anyone has something they would like to share/ask now, please stand and be recognized :)
14:37: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok Namidae, go ahead :)
14:38: [The Dojo] Namidae: Although there will be no official assemblies in December I would like to suggest that everyone who likes to can meet in HR3 at the usual time on Saturdays
14:38: [The Dojo] Namidae: I just like the idea of seeing my org mates and talk to them face to face :)
14:38: [The Dojo] Saathi: count me in :)
14:39: [The Dojo] Namidae: :)
14:39: [The Dojo] Chronita: That's a good idea - there are still a number of things you can do (meet for teaming, trade items, etc.)
14:39: [The Dojo] Chronita: The forums and Dojonet should help out if you want to call a gathering together :)
14:40: [The Dojo] Chronita: Thaylia, you're next :)
14:40: [The Dojo] Thaylia: some of us had a discussion a few days ago in org channel about the leaving of some old org mates and possible reasons for that
14:42: [The Dojo] Thaylia: the most mentioned point in all talks I had in the last time with those friends was about their need of a change in the way the org they changed in is doing events, raids etc.
14:42: [The Dojo] Thaylia: there are different ways in those orgs of promotion, organizing and so on.
14:44: [The Dojo] Thaylia: I personally hate to loose org mates because of that reasons, but I see that sometimes changes have to ocme. I don´t want to see The Dojo left alone - a school of course, and I never would like to change that, but without higher level people we don´t even need to consider about taking another tower field or try to defend our.
14:44: [The Dojo] Thaylia: So I would like to start or continue that discussion in January, when The Council is complete and more org members are available.
14:45: [The Dojo] Thaylia: There is need to find a way, keeping to tradiotions and do some changes same time.
14:46: [The Dojo] Thaylia: So I would like to hear different ideas and opinions about that; maybe this is another reason for "inofficial" meetings in hr3 during the December too.
14:47: [The Dojo] Thaylia: That´s it :)
14:47: [The Dojo] Saathi: I suppose we could discuss things during december at the unofficial meetings, they just wouldn't be official :)
14:47: [The Dojo] Thaylia: of course
14:47: [The Dojo] Chronita: That will certainly be on the agenda Thay, and thx for bringing it up. Basically with changes in AO have come changes in the player of AO, and these days it is simply not enough for many people to divide time between their own playtime and helping others via the org - they seem to want as much as possible with little effort as posssible ;)
14:48: [The Dojo] Alzisra: its not that we dont want to put effort into the org ..
14:48: [The Dojo] Alzisra: atleast i dont feel that way..
14:49: [The Dojo] Namidae: I for my part try to help others if I can and don't care so much if I do 3 or no lvls a day
14:49: [The Dojo] Saathi: I try to put effort into the org, but most of the time it is wasted, if people don't want to participate within the org then we can't exactly make them
14:50: [The Dojo] Chronita: Any good thing that has happened event-wise in the past in the org has been because of the people who created and ran it - those are few and far between these days, and any addition to the org in the events realm will need those people to step up before anything else
14:50: [The Dojo] Thaylia: the other thing is: if there is someone right tonight who tries to finish Alvin and needs help with TK, we won´t even get a full team of high levels who can stand him. I grew up in here with people like Flupper, Traineeer, Lovegod, Tubarolean. - And I keep asking myself why they left.
14:51: [The Dojo] Thaylia: same thing if our tower field gets attacked.
14:51: [The Dojo] Saathi: But what do you propose we do about it Thay?
14:51: [The Dojo] Chronita: IMO the change will come when the people who want something cometogether either in-game or on the forums, talk about what they would like to do, then set out to plan a time to do it ;)
14:52: [The Dojo] Alzisra: id say i know about a handfull of the ppl in org pretty well by now .. and we talk to eachother and help eachother out cause we know that we want to help if its needed .. 
14:52: [The Dojo] Thaylia: To find out what makes them go away after YEARS, Saathi, and change this.
14:52: [The Dojo] Alzisra: but ppl who dont join in our chats or get offended by the jokes we tell wil have a harder time being accepted into the social life we got working 
14:52: [The Dojo] Saathi: SL made them go away, IMO, SL makes people want XP more than anything, thus people forget the importance of friendship
14:52: [The Dojo] Chronita: Mainly what I have heard from people who have left is idle talk about ideal situations, but no effort to help create those situations in the place they are in
14:53: [The Dojo] Wingto: Does anyone think that maybe things are made more difficult by the org being only for MA's?
14:53: [The Dojo] Alzisra: nah .. 
14:53: [The Dojo] Alzisra: we got fotd working fine too
14:53: [The Dojo] Thaylia: no, Wingto. An important point is that The Dojo is only for MA´s.
14:54: [The Dojo] Chronita: Basically we just need people to drive ideas
14:54: [The Dojo] Wingto: But FOTD doesnt take new non dojo recruits does it?
14:54: [The Dojo] Thaylia: No.
14:54: [The Dojo] Saathi: We need a population that is willing to sacrifice that uber team for a little org event
14:54: [The Dojo] Alzisra: well i knwo some pretty high level fotd's tho ..
14:55: [The Dojo] Dojonet: Noord ( level 184 Martial Artist ) logged on
14:55: [The Dojo] Namidae: but the whole idea of The Dojo is that it is an all MA org. We'd had to close it if we would allow other professions
14:55: [The Dojo] Saathi: In my experience, when there was an org event, people quit their teams and came to participate
14:55: [The Dojo] Wingto: I was just thinking from reading the boards load for the past few months that mixed teams seem to be more succesful and orgs with mixed members also, easier to organise events and actually partiiparte in them
14:55: [The Dojo] Thaylia: One of the most mentioned reason I hear from new applicants why they want to join us is that we are MA only.
14:55: [The Dojo] Chronita: Well, there ARE things that we will not be able to do because of our composition, but those things are mainly what power orgs are about, and if people want those things, then a power org is really where they belong in the first place. The problem lately is that more and more people want the power org experience over the little things, and see no alternative.
14:57: [The Dojo] Thaylia: and btw, Wingto: did you ever join a 6 MA-team?
14:57: [The Dojo] Wingto: Heh couple of times only but yes they kick ass :), but then again look at my level ;)
14:57: [The Dojo] Chronita: We have been the alternative for over 2 years now, but the environment has become more and more harsh to thrive in due to game conditions. 
14:58: [The Dojo] Thaylia: *waves with her  in Wingto´s direction and grins*
15:00: [The Dojo] Chronita: Our survival is mainly dependant on our underlying theme of goodwill to the young MA. Having practices in place in the org to entertain other needs for high levels for example is a good idea, but they should never take priority over the main goal.
15:00: [The Dojo] Alzisra: beware of the peppermint soap .. noone knows where that has ben before
15:00: [The Dojo] Thaylia: One´s for sure: in my opinion The Dojo IS and should STAY a school for MA`s
15:00: [The Dojo] Namidae: /me agrees with Chronita and Thaylia
15:00: [The Dojo] Chronita: Therefore we will never become a tower war org or a high-lvl only org
15:01: [The Dojo] Thaylia: that´s not what I see as main goal. But we have one field, and I think you agree that it could not be bad to have one lower one for our younger members
15:01: [The Dojo] Chronita: And if the org slowly dies out, then at least we will still be able to recognize what it is and what it stood for when it does, but let's hope it wont come to that ;)
15:02: [The Dojo] Thaylia: That´s why I mentioned it today
15:02: [The Dojo] Wingto: I know that we try to attract and recruit low levels a lot (or did in my day :) ) but should we try recruiting some higher levels?
15:02: [The Dojo] Saathi: Recruits usually come to us.
15:02: [The Dojo] Thaylia: Tastee was my level when I talked to her
15:02: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok, getting close to the end, let's let Alzisra say his bit, then Saathi
15:03: [The Dojo] Alzisra: know any high level non org players ?
15:03: [The Dojo] Alzisra: yay 
15:04: [The Dojo] Namidae: when they show on NL hill they get 5 tells with questions for joining 5 different orgs...
15:04: [The Dojo] Alzisra: well as most of u already know me and toriss are now engaged 
15:04: [The Dojo] Alzisra: we havent set a date for the wedding yet .. but were working on our future home toghether 
15:05: [The Dojo] Dojonet: Timed event in 30 minutes: This Saturday will be a mandatory assembly to discuss the schedule for the future of The Dojo.  If you can be there, please try to make it.

15:05: [The Dojo] Alzisra: were planning on moving out of my apt, ass soon as the deal with her lux apt falls into place,and then we'll post a date for the wedding ..
15:05: [The Dojo] Alzisra: i sent a pic to chron to post on the website..
15:06: [The Dojo] Alzisra: i i also sent her a picture for a possible edition of "Dojo Swimsiut" 
15:07: [The Dojo] Alzisra: mt
15:07: [The Dojo] Alzisra: ahh
15:07: [The Dojo] Alzisra: i thought it might be fun to make a monthly calender with swimsuit pictures :)
15:08: [The Dojo] Chronita: It's a good idea :)
15:08: [The Dojo] Namidae: like the troxmate or whatever it is called on anarchy arcanumß
15:08: [The Dojo] Namidae: ?*
15:08: [The Dojo] Alzisra: that was all :) more infor on the wedding :)
15:08: [The Dojo] Namidae: woot! Funny thing =)
15:09: [The Dojo] Chronita: I'll try and update the forums and website as much as possible before going into my internet-less mode
15:09: [The Dojo] Chronita: Ok Saathi, last word ;)
15:09: [The Dojo] Saathi: Ok, i've said this before, but i'm still not quite sure that giving people "friendly reminders" about org chat rules is such a good idea...
15:10: [The Dojo] Saathi: So far, every person I have "friendly reminded" about org chat rules has not taken it very well.  I am out of ideas at this point, but I hate to see good org members leave over something so trivial
15:10: [The Dojo] Thaylia: you mean the soap?
15:10: [The Dojo] Alzisra: pls explain saathi ..
15:11: [The Dojo] Namidae: hmm, I think this is part of our sort of humour. It somehow belongs to the org, if you mean the soap...
15:11: [The Dojo] Saathi: Well yes, the soap is one of them, but it seems just anyone I talk to absolutely hates me for thinking that I have any right to tell them what to do.
15:11: [The Dojo] Chronita: well, you ARE a council member. . .;)
15:12: [The Dojo] Saathi: I agree completely with the chat rules and all, and I think people should be reminded, but the quest is how not to drive them to leave
15:12: [The Dojo] Alzisra: u talking about ppl arguing in org channel ?
15:12: [The Dojo] Wingto: You most definitaly have the right to remind people about the rules they agreed to when they joined
15:12: [The Dojo] Saathi: No, I mean someone let's a swear word slip, I send them a tell saying "Please try to tone down the language :)" and they get mad enough to leave...
15:13: [The Dojo] Alzisra: oh ok .. well i wouldent be offended by that ...
15:13: [The Dojo] Namidae: but this is one of our ehm principles to not allow profanity
15:14: [The Dojo] Wingto: Do you think we are to strict then? that maybe you should give them a second chance before a reminder?
15:14: [The Dojo] Saathi: I wouldn't be offended much either, but it seems people are and I think we should take that into account
15:14: [The Dojo] Chronita: if ppl are offfended somehow by the soap, they can express that and we can not poke fun in the future, as long as they understand the rules. if they just cant get past the profanity filter then it's probably best they leave anyway
15:14: [The Dojo] Alzisra: but in stead of saying thing like shit ... (sorry) thet can sreacm FFS and WTF ?? 
15:14: [The Dojo] Alzisra: hand me a spelling board ..
15:15: [The Dojo] Namidae: it is not too difficult to avoid any form of profanity even if you are angry
15:15: [The Dojo] Thaylia: there are enough slang words to express that. Everyone knows what they are meaning, and you can´t ban them completely out of the chat.
15:15: [The Dojo] Saathi: That's a good point Chron, it just bugs me that so many people can't handle it.
15:15: [The Dojo] Chronita: very true - esp. considering you have to type what is seen ;)
15:16: [The Dojo] Dojonet: Killer84 ( level 141 Martial Artist ) logged on
15:16: [The Dojo] Thaylia: no one would care if I say "dang" - everyone knows what that is meaning.
15:16: [The Dojo] Thaylia: but the point is: I don´t SAY the "real" word.
15:16: [The Dojo] Namidae: yup, I don't see any reason for profanity
15:16: [The Dojo] Chronita: well, just another example of the AO playerbase of today i'm afraid - i truly wish i could take our org back in time 2 years ago and live in the wonderful young Rimor ;)
15:17: [The Dojo] Alzisra: just remind ppl like u usually do, if that really gets them so mad to be reminded that they leave then well their loss....
15:17: [The Dojo] Spipac2: I always make a point of the language rules in interview, just for times like those
15:18: [The Dojo] Thaylia: same
15:18: [The Dojo] Killer84: hiya
15:18: [The Dojo] Chronita: there will always be disapproval and unwillingness to change - if there wasnt, then our org wouldnt stand out ;)
15:18: [The Dojo] Alzisra: what time is this killer !!! :)
15:18: [The Dojo] Namidae: hey killer :)
15:18: [The Dojo] Killer84: !whois nanoslicer
15:18: [The Dojo] Dojonet:  "Nanoslicer"  (L 105) is a male Nanomage Nano-Technician, Omni
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15:18: [The Dojo] Alzisra: !online
15:18: [The Dojo] Dojonet: Users online :: click to view.
15:18: [The Dojo] Thaylia: the other thing is: the world outside has become much harsher with the language too.
15:19: [The Dojo] Chronita: ok, that was a good hour :) let's end the assembly here now with a /pray :)
15:19: [The Dojo] Dojonet: Maitres logged off
15:19: [The Dojo] Spipac2: /pray
15:19: [The Dojo] Alzisra: i really dont mean to offend anyone if i get killed in a mish then then write shit ! i got killed 1000000 millio in xp pool :/
15:20: [The Dojo] Thaylia: no one minds in a team chat, Al
15:20: [The Dojo] Namidae: true, but you could also use a more ehm direct work and everyone would understand
15:20: [The Dojo] Thaylia: those are 6 people, and the atmosphere is much loser than it is on an official org chat
15:20: [The Dojo] Saathi: I think we should start a private chat for people to go in and let some steam :)
15:20: [The Dojo] Alzisra: i have done that in org channel too a few times just to get ppl to feel sorry for me because i got killed 
15:20: [The Dojo] Namidae: hehe, good idea at some times ;)
15:21: [The Dojo] Saathi: just be careful not to MT into org chat, I know I do it too often lol
15:21: [The Dojo] Chronita: i'll go ahead and do some work on the forums now. I should be able to be in-game this coming tues-thurs mainly to finish up preparations. After that time i'll more than likely be away until after the holidays ;)
15:21: [The Dojo] Thaylia: that´s why I use shortcuts like /o, / and /g :)
15:22: [The Dojo] Alzisra: everyone mt's sometimes :)is that a crime ?
15:22: [The Dojo] Chronita: Thanks all who attended today :)